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[edit] Vulnerability of short pages to attacks (and other Boke issues, moved to ...)

I have moved a recent very long discussion to a subpage: WT:WikiProject Disambiguation/Vulnerability to attacks (since it was coming to dominate this talk page). It began with a discussion of the dab page Boke, but concerns a general issue: that short pages (as many dab pages are) can be used to get defamatory vandalism in a very visible position in Google search results, persisting even after it is reverted from Wikipedia. I suggest that discussion focused on that problem continue on the subpage. I've left a note at WP:VPT directing people to that page.--Kotniski (talk) 10:35, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

I moved/renamed the subpage to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disambiguation/Vulnerability of short pages to attack, UD overflow, and other issues of Boke, per Proofreader77's stated preference for the name of the subpage. I removed, from here, a lengthy discussion discussing what the name should be, and put it also in that subpage. doncram (talk) 22:04, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

If appropriate, thank you. (If not, ignore:) Proofreader77 (talk) 22:14, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] (status/activity)

Currently determining Google cache refresh rate for Boke (i.e., tracking when 4/28/09 "cleaned" version appears in Google results snippets). More follow-up to come. -- Proofreader77 (talk) 20:21, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

REFERENCE DATA: Google cache has updated - 1 wk after cleaning - Proofreader77 (talk) 23:12, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

(to-do follow-up) Test large-text insertion to determine if vulnerability has changed. (Will discuss before attempting.) Proofreader77 (talk) 17:12, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

(to-do follow-up) Incident analysis in the context of dab-cleaning patterns of behavior. Proofreader77 (talk) 08:05, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Lieutenant Governor

It would be helpful to have some fresh sets of eyes look at Lieutenant Governor. I removed the {{disambig}} template from the page, because it is not formatted according to WP:MOSDAB and trying to fit that format would require removing a lot of information from the page (not to mention disambiguating over 1,000 incoming links). Another editor reverted my change, however. Suggestions welcome. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 11:03, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Brought up on Talk:Lieutenant Governor#Not a disambiguation page -- JHunterJ (talk) 11:27, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Talk page template

I've created a new user message template: {{uw-dab}}, that contributors to this project may find helpful in making editors more aware of the guidelines for dab pages. The syntax {{subst:uw-dab|dab-page}} produces the following:

Thank you for your edit to the disambiguation page dab-page. However, please note that disambiguation pages are not articles; rather, they are meant to help readers find a specific article quickly and easily. From the disambiguation page style guide, you should:

Only list articles that readers might reasonably be looking for

Use short sentence fragment descriptions, which should not end with punctuation

Use only one navigable link ("blue link") in each entry, and avoid red links

Not pipe links—keep the full title of the article visible

Thank you.

» Swpb^{τ • ¢} 21:52, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Afghanistani

This page is pure conjecture and lacking in a neutral point of view. Could someone please revert to the proper disambig. page? I don't have knowledge on the topic to make a correct assessment. --Lvivske (talk) 00:46, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Suggest redirecting to Afghan. If the only point this article wants to make is that the term is invalid, also consider adding an unprintworthy template. Dekimasuよ! 00:54, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

What's wrong with a "simple" redirect to Demography of Afghanistan? The term "Afghanistani" is covered to the extent it needs to be in the lead of that article. There was some reversions a year and a half ago varying redirecting the page to Demography of Afghanistan and Afghanistan; I think the former is a more correct option. As it stands now, the Afghanistani page is a little absurd; I'll redirect it if no one objects. ~ Amory (talk) 01:02, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Sorry if that first line comes across a little strong, Dekimasho, it was written before seeing your comment. My whole comment is meant in response to the state of the current article, not your (well-worded and valid) suggestion. ~ Amory (talk) 01:07, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree with the redirtect to the demography page --Lvivske (talk) 03:48, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Done. ~ Amory (talk) 14:05, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Defaultsort tagging of dab pages

There's a discussion here about whether dab pages need Defaultsorts if they've already got a sortkey in {{hndis}}, which may be of interest. PamD (talk) 08:20, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] U.S. courthouses disambiguation using (City, State) vs. (State)

Comments invited at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places#courthouses disambiguation using (City, State) vs. (State). This is about whether wikipedia article names for courthouses should be, for example, as Marshall County Courthouse (South Dakota) or as Marshall County Courthouse (Britton, South Dakota). doncram (talk) 23:38, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Aladdin Trilogy

Would this be better off as a dab page, set index article, or just non-existent? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 00:29, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Well it's certainly not a disambig page, since the title encompasses everything linked on the page. bd2412 T 00:41, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't think it's a dab or a set index article, but a stub article about a film trilogy. See also Godfather Trilogy and Apocalypse Trilogy for examples of brief and expanded trilogy articles. -- JHunterJ (talk) 11:05, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Bull

It seems that most incoming links refer to the male of cattle. Seeing as how we have an article for stallion, and bulls (as male cattle) have a particular place of significance in society that goes beyond the importance of cattle, perhaps a separate article is in order. bd2412 T 03:13, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

I was struggling with this earlier today, actually. I got perplexed and ended up editing the dab page to link to both cattle and oxen, which it (surprisingly) didn't beforehand. My issue came from wanting to help the project. I figured most links should be easy to redirect to an animal page, but I started to doubt myself - it became abundantly clear that it wasn't abundantly clear whether a page or depiction referred to male cattle or to oxen. ~~Then I got all confused about~~ I think I'd favor a page - Bulls are pretty iconic in of themselves, separate from just male cows, although there would be serious overlap with oxen. Sorry for the rant. ~ Amory (user • talk • contribs) 03:37, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Buri

I stumbled across the disambiguation page Buri and noticed some recent back-and-forth editing. Can someone more familiar with disambiguation policies than me please take a look? Gnome de plume (talk) 15:55, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] SOH

I came across the disambiguation page for SOH, which is listing The Sydney Opera House under this abbreviation. I have lived in Sydney all my life, as well as having travelled extensively and this is the first time I have ever heard or seen it as being abbreviated to SOH, either here in Sydney or overseas. I think the TLA (three letter acronym) crazies are trying to strip the heart and soul from everything in life and have finally taken it too far with this entry. As far as I am aware it is only ever abbreviated down to "the/The Opera House" (ie by taking out the word Sydney). Unless someone can show real world examples(!?) of it being known as SOH in everyday usage, I shall remove the Sydney Opera House entry from that disambiguation page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.178.240.192 (talk) 11:17, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

The Sydney Opera House article does use the abbreviation SOH in the references, so it looks kosher enough. "Hot Tickets", Sunday Telegraph, May 17, 2009 Features p. 129 uses the abbreviation as well (along with a couple hundred other news hits). Don't call other editors crazies, please. I did remove some of the other entries from SOH where there were no articles or no mentions of SOH in the articles. -- JHunterJ (talk) 13:01, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] A request

Please could editors with an interest in disambiguation look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Financial misconduct. The question before us is whether it's reasonable to disambiguate "Financial misconduct" into, say, "Embezzlement" or "Fraud".—S Marshall ^Talk/_Cont 01:48, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] List of Black Saturdays / Black Saturday ongoing confusion

Currently Black Saturday is a disambiguation page and List of Black Saturdays is a set index article. The two are closely related and there is ongoing confusion with editors trying to add entries to both pages or to merge the articles. I would like input on the "right" way and how we can end the confusion. Same applies to all of the other "black days" articles. Barrylb (talk) 08:02, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Black Saturday should list any article ambiguous with "Black Saturday", certainly including any article titled "Black Saturday (...)", regardless of the parenthetical. As you note, List of Black Saturdays is a list article. If editors are using it as a duplicate disambiguation page only without the style guidelines of the dab project, I think they're misusing it. Either way, I don't know much about the content guidelines for those list articles, but it shouldn't be merged with the dab. If it's a valid list article, entries could certainly exist on both pages. -- JHunterJ (talk) 11:20, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

The articles Signal Mountain and List of peaks named Signal Mountain are given as an example on WP:DAB guidelines. None of the links in the "List of ... " articles are included in the disambiguation page. Unless there is a good reason to do otherwise, we should stick with whatever is on the guidelines and not have links on both pages. Barrylb (talk) 03:44, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

The disambiguation page should disambiguate all ambiguous articles. The existence of a needed or unneeded set index article does not affect the disambiguation page. The guidelines in the example do not indicate any such "none of the links on one on the other", which would be wrong. If it is desired to not have links on both pages, the links to ambiguous pages should only be on the disambiguation page, since they need to be disambiguated. But the reader (who is the "customer" here) would be best served by allowing the independent dab page editors and set index article editors to determine (independently) which articles make sense to include on each, without worrying about what is hapening on other, independent pages and articles. -- JHunterJ (talk) 10:53, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Places

I couldn't find this covered in the style guide. I was working on Aston (disambiguation) and got rid of places like Aston-on-Trent and Aston on Carrant, but after further consideration, I don't know if that was right. Comments? Clarityfiend (talk) 03:37, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

I believe we should include them - some places will be well known by the short form, some not, but WikiPedia will be more useful if we include them. I grew up knowing Kingston upon Thames as "Kingston", local main shopping town. PamD (talk) 07:26, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

If they aren't known as just "Aston", I would keep them on the page but move them to a "See also" section. (If they are known as just "Aston", keep them in the main list, of course.) -- JHunterJ (talk) 11:09, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

It's hard for someone across the water to tell which are which, so I stuck them all (and there are a lot) in the See also section for somebody more British to sort out. Clarityfiend (talk) 21:52, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Old Mill

This issue has been rumbling on for a while, and there are other disambiguation pages similarly affected. Can we please have some input from this project's members as to whether or not the current form of the page is acceptable, or suggestions of solutions that would be acceptable. Mjroots (talk) 12:43, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

I responded on Talk:Old Mill, but in general, entries for things that aren't in Wikipedia articles should be removed, and entries that are kept should link to Wikipedia articles that will help the reader looking for that entry (in an unsurprising fashion -- avoiding the abbreviated pipe links). -- JHunterJ (talk) 13:06, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] this looks like a problem?

CPA (disambiguation) and CPA Earlypsychosis (talk) 10:45, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Fixed by moving and merging the distinct entries (and cleaning out the entries that didn't need disambiguation). -- JHunterJ (talk) 11:44, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

cheers Earlypsychosis (talk) 00:00, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Black cat (disambiguation)

I don't know exactly what the issue with 99.0.40.107 is (see the dab's history). (S)he keeps bringing back an entry full of red links for no apparent reason. Really need some insight here ... Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 23:36, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, the IP is face-to-face with WP:3RR, but normally a message on the talk page (eitheror both the DAB and user_talk) would be an appropriate avenue to get discussion going. As far as I can tell, though, it's a hoax/vandalism, apparently a reference to the Edgar Allen Poe story. Really, then, the IP should be asked on a talk page about the edits, and slapped with a warning each time if the disruptive edits persist. ~ Amory (user • talk • contribs) 01:38, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Dab page and primary topic in move request

See Talk:Clarksville Historic District (disambiguation)#Requested move for a request to move the only article for a string off the base name. -- JHunterJ (talk) 21:12, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Not both disambiguation and Papua New Guinea province

The Jimi article should not be both a disambiguation page and a Papua New Guinea province description at the same time. Someone should take the time to separate the two purposes. --DThomsen8 (talk) 18:21, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

done. (John User:Jwy talk) 18:56, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] case management

please check my work

created a new page Case management (disambiguation)
moved old content of case management to Case management (USA health system)
redirected case management to Case management (disambiguation)
created a new page case management (mental health)
added information at top of each page
copied talk page from case management to talk page of Case management (disambiguation)

I will work on links within the next 24 hours Earlypsychosis (talk) 02:02, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

You copied the content of an article to a new name. This is known as a "cut-and-paste" move, and has been undone. See Help:Moving a page. -- JHunterJ (talk) 02:12, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

okay. thanks. will make the changes as per Help:Moving a page. Earlypsychosis (talk) 08:32, 2 July 2009 (UTC)