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[edit] Slim Helu
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[edit] An informative text about a suffix
The Thraco-Dacic suffix -ila(s), seen in some Dacian plant names & anthroponyms is discussed here [1], see the section that begins: "•suf. trac –(i)las. Sufixul derivativ al numelui nostru este la origine traco-bessicul –ila(s),..". That paper discusses the Thraco-Dacic name Scoris, and the suffixed forms Scorilo, *Scorilas, and *Scoryllus etc. This discussion was very enlightening as I look at the end component in the Illyrian name Bard[yllis]/Bard[ylis]/Bard[ulis] etc. which I expect is also a suffix, though not necessarily a diminutive suffix.
- Well, in Romanian, -ilă is not a diminutive suffix, I think it's mostly used to create a personal name from a regular word, so it would make sense to be of different etymology, not from Latin. Also, I don't think there's any other suffix that could have a substrate origin. bogdan (talk) 10:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
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- That's interesting and you should include that info in an article somewhere. I don't remember whether there are any other suffixes that could have a substrate origin: -esc, -escu, etc. could be vulgar Latin innovations, although they are native to no other Romance language: in Italian (Tedesco etc.) and French they are always from Germanic (?), at least in all the cases I know, but I'm not sure of cases such as Romanesco in Italian, why would that term have a Germanic suffix? While some other suffixes like -eşti are also in Albanian (-isht? -esht?), but I don't remember the details, or even whether those Albanian suffixes could be from Latin. 206.170.104.29 (talk) 19:34, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Some have the notion that Bardylis is a compound meaning "white star" but no linguistic reference has been brought forward for that. The Alb. word "yll" (star) is thought to derive from PIE *eus- if I remember right, "to burn". Albanian linguist B. Demiraj reconstructs a proto-Alb (h)3l--->hus-lo--->heus--. There are those who think Bard- in Bardylis derives from PIE *bheregh, "white, bright", Demiraj for example is suggesting that. A meaning of "bright" in Bardylis is not ludicrous (see Bert), but "white" sounds like we have an albino on our hands, and "white star" is ludicrous without an explanation, "bright star" is not much better. Anyway no linguistic reference for "white star/bright star" has been brought forward yet.
If "bard-" in Bardylis did mean "bright", that doesn't mean that "-ulis" meant "star". It's probably a suffix similar to the Thracic ones, and/or a diminutive suffix. I'm looking in Illyrian/Messapic/Venetic for more info on that suffix/component. I have found similar-looking forms in Anatolian Bargylia (a toponym in northern Caria in Classical times), in Bargullon (Lat:Bargullum), a toponym in northern Epirus of classical times; in Thracian anthroponyms: *Scoryllus/Coryllus, Beithylus, etc. Read the link from Olteanu if you haven't already, it's interesting. Alex (talk) 13:31, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
- Colours used in names often mean the hair colour, such as in names Albu (white-haired), Negru (black-haired), Roşca (red-haired), Bălan (blond), cf. Brown, Black, White etc. So it's possible that the name would simply mean it's the name of a white-haired person (could be a older person, no necessarily an albino). bogdan (talk) 10:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
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- That crossed my mind, but I didn't spell that out, that observation about color names often/usually referring to hair color. I was kind of joking about "we have an albino on our hands", but really there is no reason to believe 1) that most Illyrians were darker and would have found it noteworthy to remark someone that was fairer, and call him "whitey". So Bardylis had white hair or something? :) Well, if Bard- in that anthroponym is derived from *bhereg-, a meaning of "bright" seems more likely (as in Bert). However, for all I know at the moment the Illyrian name Birkenna derives from *bhereg- (cf. Old English birce, "birch", from *bhereg-). In that link an Illyrian name Geldo (cf. Venetic Goltanos) is mentioned in passing, which if Illyrian (and not Celtic) looks to be from PIE *ghel-"to shine" (the source of the English word Gold), which in Thracian was clearly satemized: Zald-. I brought this up to get your attention at these topics, because lately the Thracic-Albanic theory has been attacked a little too much by Albanian editors. Thank you for the input, Alex (talk) 10:38, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
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- Also I've been collecting names in common between Illyrian-Venetic-Messapic: there are some in common between Venetic & Messapic that I can't find in Illyrian, such as Moldo- (Venetic), Moldahtas (Mess.); Vantos (? Venetic), Vaanetos (?Mess.), maybe more. Names in common between Veneti/Illyrians include Illyr. Aplis, Apl- etc., a common Illyrian form in names, and Venetic Aplisikos (Aplisicus, the Venetic -icus suffix); Illy. Gentius, Venetic Gentei (inflected first name), Illy. Plator, Venetic Plaetorius, Mess. Plator-, Dasant- among both Veneti & Illyri, Dasimius (Venetic), Tomator/Domator (Illyrian?), Illy. Laedus, Venetic Laetus, some more; and they both have like Latin, the -tor suffix making nouns from verbs (Tomator, Plator?) etc. Alex (talk) 11:17, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
- So I'm supposed to believe the "dh" sound in bardhe hasn't changed since Classical times, when Albanian shows such extreme sound-changes since Latin contact: qytet < civitas (city) etc.. And sica has become thikë? Sure. And it was funny how someone tried to pull a fast one at Bardylis, when I removed "white star" because there was no reference for that, he came back with a reference only that Demiraj and probably some others believe that Bard- may derive from *bhereg; And??? (there are references that Alb. bardhe derives from Daco-Moesian Berz-, this field is full of disputed etymologies). I knew the Illyric-Albanists suggest that, but I removed a claim about "white star", not just *bhereg-. There is still no reference for "white star", and it continues to be reverted by others such as User:Athenean. Alex (talk) 13:36, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
- I've been doing some more research on such suffixes (as in Bardylis, which likely has the suffix) in IE languages; in ancient Greek I have found Laconian arbylis (singular noun; Attic aryballos), bombylis [2] (singular noun), and there are more which I'll collect. Alex (talk) 12:01, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, there is an article about that in Wiki too:Pre-Greek substrate. The -ulis suffix however poses no problem to include it as an IE suffix, you will find such suffixes throughout IE and they are traced back to PIE (Latin -ula, Alb. -ullë, Greek -ule (Kotyla), in Slavic there is proto-Slavic *sedulo, Germanic *sadulaz (-->English saddle) etc. etc. In Greek -ulis does not appear to be that common, but -ule (arbule) is common enough. If someone were to collect all the -ulis examples in Greek, you probably won't find any indication of a pre-IE origin for it, and even a Thracian or Illyrian origin may not fit the data. It's probably native to Greek or some Greek dialects. In the case of bombylis and arbylis, bomb- here means "bubble" or some such (Greek pomphos, "bubble"), and such forms are found in IE (French pompon, with "pomp", "pon" meaning something like a puffball, similar to Greek "pomphos") & non-IE I think, while arb- (meaning "curved", "arched"?) may also be IE, I just haven't checked yet. Anyway these Greek suffixes don't prove that it is also a suffix in Bardylis, but that's more likely than a two-word compound. Alex (talk) 10:32, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
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- I posted this here obviously to attract your interest & share info. I was recently drawn back to Paleo-Balkanic linguistics when User:Aigest started posting on my talk page and making serious changes to Illyrian-related articles. However at this time there are too many other priorities and while I did benefit from the detective work and reviewing topics I was studying years ago, I don't want to get too much back into this, and in fact I've already revised about as much at this website in the past month as I needed to do. A lot more has to be done at this website on these topics, but I would rather leave it to others. You also seem to be leaving it to others, as you also have other topics you'd rather study. This field of study involves too much and several disciplines and for me the literature is hard to find, in fact this is something teams of researchers should take on at various universities. I seem to be like one of the only (yeah, that's not too far from accurate) persons in Los Angeles studying this stuff more than just with a cursory glance: when I went back in late May/early June to check out the books on the subject at BHPL, in two out of three (for the third, Hoddinott's The Thracians, the last receipt for that book was the same receipt that Wilkes' The Illyrians was last checked out on, and that receipt was in the Illyrians' book) of the books I found my library receipts from the last time I checked them out (06, & february 08). Sometimes people check them out & leave other peoples' receipts in there, but I'm pretty sure no one else checked them out in the interim. Even the book, Errington's "A History of Macedonia" with my receipt from 2006 still in there :) probably was not checked out. I'm interested in these topics because my ethnic/language background drew me to those topics in late 2004. Another thing I wanted to tell you, I know you used to say stuff like "Albanians are the direct descendants of the Thracians" (in September 2003 you typed exactly that here [3]) but years have gone by and you realize that in fact the Thracian or Illyrian debate about Albanian is very unclear, and myself I used to in fact say "Thracian doesn't look like proto-Albanian". The actual situation is that it is very hard to tell as of yet, look at for example how much French changed from Latin (due also to a Frankish/Romance creole effect), and Albanian could even be a Thraco-Illyrian creole pretty much. See you later, 206.170.104.29 (talk) 19:34, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
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You might want to look at Talk:L'Anse aux Meadows where your map is being, er, questioned, Dougweller (talk) 20:19, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
[edit] A report
Hi, Dahn posted this over a month ago on the talk page of WP:RWNB: "What I meant to say is that, culturally, most Romanians I know seem to get the more excited the more the topic relates to something far back in the past, the more it is obscure, and the more it allows one to speculate about how extraordinary Romanians once were."
I have the suspicion that observation of his is not far from the truth, though I don't know whether this would be prevalent among young Romanians also. I noticed this among many older Romanians in L.A. as I was growing up (most of whom left Los Angeles in the 1990s, many going back to Romania). My dad also showed that tendency a lot. However, I did not notice this trend among young Romanian-Americans. And I don't think it is as prevalent among young Romanians in Romania either, it is more among the older Romanians I'm pretty sure. 76.208.187.168 (talk) 09:34, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
- Well, some inclination to believe in an obscure, but extraordinary distant past is found in most cultures. Perhaps only the 'new' countries (like the US, Australia, etc) and/or the 'big' countries (Russia, Germany) don't have it. bogdan (talk) 19:11, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
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- That's true. I think Dahn's report/observation is accurate enough for older Romanians and Romanians abroad (including in the U.S.), but I think it is an exaggeration for: younger Romanians abroad and in Romania. Here in the U.S., I didn't notice it among the younger Romanians that I knew, and my foray into Thraco-Dacic stuff in October 2004--February/March 2005 was a shortlived phase that grew out of my isolation, the need to escape occult-and-drug-induced madnesses etc., jumping into fields I had hitherto largely not been concerned with (Romanian studies, I had never gone deep into Romanian studies prior to late 2004), my unfamiliarity with the rigours of linguistics which led to me imagining etymologies and proto-languages etc. I view my foray from back then as a "madness", a temporary aberration, which was brought on by the need to escape a previous, different kind of madness. Thanks, I like discussing stuff with you because you are a smart guy too and we have some stuff in common. But I'm not going to overuse your availability. I expect that as time goes on and progress in science continues and new generations come, the tendency will lessen a lot among the populace, and I don't think it's as prevalent at the moment as Dahn's report can make it seem. 76.208.174.47 (talk) 00:05, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
