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[edit] List of "philosophies" which should NOT be in the template

I'm sorry it had to come to this, but this is probably for the best. Add as you wish, I can't list them all. -- infinity0 20:36, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

As a general policy on what does/does not get included: Religion belongs to a religion template, pop philosophy is not yet recognized by professional philosophers as a philosophy, and Eastern Philosophy belongs to a religion template more than a philosophy template. Remember that everything with the word 'philosophy' in the name (as in Reformational philosophy, or Natural Philosophy, or Eastern Philosophy), is not necessarily a part of professional philosophy (or even a philosophy). Religions, areas of the occult, cultural movements, and political movements are often called philosophies when they are not. For example, keep in mind that before 1900 all of science was known as philosophy (instead of "science"), therefore just because Darwin was called a philosopher in the 1850's doesn't mean he is a philosopher. Lastly, philosophic "positions" do not belong on the template as "schools." Right now Determinism is on the template but only barely, since it probably fails this standard. For this reason Theism, Atheism and Agnosticism have also been removed. As a good guide for what does belong, consult the Online Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy's Unabridged Table of Contents[1].

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[edit] Guideline for inclusion

here is the proposed guideline for inclusion: Overwhelming evidence of centrality to philosophy as demonstrable by thousands to ten's of thousands of publications in the history of philosophy.

this means, most things in philosophy aren't on this list. most things are referred to on this list by a higher category. --Buridan (talk) 15:17, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Nihilism/(Theistic-Atheistic) Existentialism/Absurdism continuum

As Nihilism begets Existentialism and Absurdism in a major continuum in Continental Philosophy, I propose Absurdism to be linked for navigation under 'Schools' (a very good article already exists; see chart below contents). It is a major reaction to the previously predominant Nihilism, distinct from Existentialism, put forward by two giants, Camus and Kierkegaard. (Camus, for example, considered Existentialism to be a form of "philosophical suicide" - see 'The Myth of Sisyphus'.) Also, I suggest Existentialism be divided into separate Theistic and Atheistic articles considering the amount of material; readers could then navigate further according to their tendencies.

Nemo Senki66.213.22.193 (talk) 00:04, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I see where you are comming from, but if schools are similar enough we try to only list one. Otherwise this list would ballon in size. For example, there is perhaps an important difference between theistic and atheistic existentialism. However, for the purposes of a mere template, I think it best that we only list them collectively as existentialism.
As for, absurdism. I have no opinion on its inclusion. - Atfyfe (talk) 01:44, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Classic five?

I just added Jurisprudence to the template, and it was taken away, reasoning being that we should keep the classic 5 as they are. I don't agree with this. I learnt that Jurisprudence was part of the classic '6'. Other people believe that there are only THREE major philosophy topics: ontology, epistemology and logic. The fact that "of law" redirects to "jurisprudence" should confirm the fact that Jurisprudence should be put under branches. BurningZeppelin (talk) 13:33, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

you were mislead, there are only 5, jurisprudence is a subsection of ethics/political philosophy which deals with law.--Buridan (talk) 17:19, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
Can't it be argued that ethics and aesthetics can fit in under metaphysics or ontology? And plus, there is no political philosophy in the main branches BurningZeppelin (talk) 11:19, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
Isn't political philosophy (and the philosophy of law) just a subsection of ethics? As they all concern questions: how should we act either as an individual or a society? C mon (talk) 11:31, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
Since when has there been an orthodox set of core philosophic branches? It seems equally legitimate to claim that there are only two (epistemology and metaphysics), three (+ethics), or four (+aesthetics), or five (+political philosophy), or six (+logic)... I really can't agree with including 'Jurisprudence' as a core branch of philosophy, but I am also skeptical about Buridan's (overly) definitive statement "you were mislead, there are only 5". That being said, let me stress that I think the 5 we have listed are what we should stick to. - Atfyfe (talk) 03:20, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
traditionally, political philosophy is under ethics, classically there are 5. can't really change that in history, you can argue it is different today, but ehh, 5 works fine and it stops us from having everyone's favorite tree branch.--Buridan (talk) 12:49, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
Point well made Buridan. - Atfyfe (talk) 02:30, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Added libertarianism

Which is in the Online Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy's Unabridged Table of Contents. Carol Moore 19:04, 23 August 2008 (UTC)Carolmooredc {talk}

which does not qualify it to be added to this list. if it were a school of philosophy, widely recognized by professional philosophers today or widely recognized before, then sure. however, it is just one of many political ideologies/philosophies.--Buridan (talk) 09:58, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Libertarianism is listed in Online Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy's Unabridged Table of Contents[2] with a long article here.
  • To be consistent you also would have to eliminate liberalism and Marxism. It was because they were there I added it. Why are they included? It seems to me it's all or nothing. Carol Moore 13:04, 24 August 2008 (UTC)Carolmooredc {talk}
actually no, liberalism and marxism are both widely studied schools of philosophy. you can find them in almost every philosophy curriculum. libertarianism hasn't reached that level yet, in fact, for the most part, libertarianism in most philosophy is just another form of liberalism. --Buridan (talk) 14:03, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
That may be your unsourced personal opinion, but it seems that the above description of what can go in this template would be a firmer guideline. As a good guide for what does belong, consult the Online Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy's Unabridged Table of Contents[[3].
Moreover, The Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy also has a big article on libertarianism.
Robert Nozick made libertarianism respectable in academia and I could provide a list of self-identified libertarian academics who bring the subject up in classes and probably teach courses.
Doing a quick wiki search I find that:
sorry, you can source whatever minor reportage that you want. the standard for inclusion in the template are quite clear, and libertarianism and until your list above gets above around 1000 items from widely recognized significant philosophy sources and departments, you aren't going to be close to meeting the template level. a good guide is not an encyclopedia, as the template cannot hold everything from every encyclopedia. Libertarianism and other minoritarian topics will just have to survive being part of the larger page on topics of philosophy.--Buridan (talk) 16:32, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Marxism is not similar to libertarianism or liberalism. It is not just a normative theory (about what ought to be), but also an explanatory theory (about what is) that has had a great effect on the philosophy of the social sciences for instance. C mon (talk) 14:47, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
I don't want to take Marxism out, just want to put libertarianism in.
The question is, which one?
So please opine on which one you think belongs in the template. If there is no clear opinion that one of the three does, I'll seek a third opinion, for starters. Carol Moore 21:16, 26 August 2008 (UTC)Carolmooredc {talk}

none belong, the standard is thousands of respectable mentions. in other words, a school of philosophy. for most of history libertarianism was just liberalism, so.... if you put it in, i'll take it out and then i'll refer to project philosophy for consensus and it will stay out as that is where the template originates. --Buridan (talk) 21:57, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Why Eastern and Western philosophy on the top?

this looks like the two are a fundamental, all-philosophy spanning (!?) bipolar pair (?), which isnt realy the case?! is is appropriate to give those terms such prominence? then putting history (starting with ancient history) below it really distorts reality completely. It also appears to represent a supposed self-contained, finalized system which isnt really the case? can this be represented more progressive? Thanks. 70.155.25.43 (talk) 16:07, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree. Allow me to suggest that we change this template to be solely about Western Philosophy (and therefore also change the title at its top). Eastern and Western Philosophy do not interact very much, so it isn't required that they exist on the same template. Furthermore, it doesn't appear that we (the current editors of this template) have a wealth of knowledge about Eastern Philosophy and what schools have been important enough to include. - Atfyfe (talk) 02:28, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Schools

Philosophy schools are predominantly Western. There's no Confucianism, Taoism, Brethren of Purity, Madhyamaka, Yogacara, Vedanta, etc. --Mladifilozof (talk) 21:36, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

The entire list of school is arbitrary and sometimes bizarre. I'd remove it completely until its discussed here and then reworked. Srnec (talk) 02:15, 11 November 2008 (UTC)


It's no arbitary, it is only Western. --Mladifilozof (talk) 15:35, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] What about ontology in this template? Could someone please explain me?

Hi everyone,
Could someone please explain me why ontology is not mentioned in this "Philosophy topics" template?
Please reply here and not in my discussion page.
Thanks for your attention.
Maurice Carbonaro (talk) 10:02, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Ontology is usually considered a sub-branch of Metaphysics. - Atfyfe (talk) 02:32, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Ok, no problem, I understood it myself. Sorry for bothering you.

It's me again,
Okay, I got it myself. Ontology and cosmology are the two main metaphysics branches.
And metaphysics is mentioned in the template with the other 5 main branches:

  1. Aesthetics;
  2. Ethics;
  3. Epistemology
  4. Logic and...
  5. (Metaphysics).

Have a nice day.
Thanks anyway.
Maurice Carbonaro (talk) 10:08, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kyoto School

Hi, I'm wondering if Kyoto School should be included in the template, on the section "Schools". Kyoto School is a japanese philosophy movement which adopted western philosophy and applies them to reformulate eastern morals. --Andersmusician NO 18:07, 19 February 2009 (UTC) I don't think it rises to the level as the rest of them, does it. --Buridan (talk) 18:26, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

well, it has it's own plato.staford.edu entry and inside it says it is a philosophy movement, started in late XIXcentury, they apply western philosophy to eastern ethics I think.--Andersmusician NO 23:48, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] "Applied Philosophy" or "Philosophy of..."

I changed "Applied Philosophy" back to "Philosophy of" both (1) for stylistic reasons (it is shorter and makes the template have less width), and (2) because these are branches of philosophy known by the title "philosophy of x" which makes "philosophy of" more appropriate. Usually, when someone uses the phrase applied philosophy they mean something like applying philosophy to actual problems (as applied ethics does for abortion, capital punishment, etc.). - Atfyfe (talk) 02:12, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Then it is probably best to separate some sections (the one which you think) of them into "Applied Philosophy", while others to "Philosophy of." Because they are some philosophy that are "applied" e.g. Anarchism (a Political Philosophy) does utilize philosophy, like Capitalism to economy problems such as rents and loans and if I am not wrong Walmart probably uses Political Philosophy methods to achieve their Nationalism goals. Don't quote me on this one, because this is a very sensitive topic that will conjure up way too many unnecessary arguments.
Anyhow I won't touch on this template for now, I'll let you Wikipedians folks decide, because currently I think everyone knows "a lot of Philosophy navigation" require expert attention. And sooner or later I think somebody is going to have to develop a clear navigation similar to Template:Computer Science, though I am not saying you have to use the same approach or methods to categorize them. But if somebody don't create it, I believe a lot of articles is just going to get AfD, TfD and get place WP:OR. --75.154.186.241 (talk) 06:28, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Almost all of the articles in that subsection are titled "Philosophy of ..." Therefor it is logical to title the subsection group in that way.
The topics can be "applied" regardless of how they are titled. The philosophy of education can be applied, but we aren't currently discussing renaming the page to "Applied educational philosophy".
Please establish some sort of agreement before making that change again. Thank you. -- Quiddity (talk) 17:09, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
I don't think I was clear earlier. There are named branches and unnamed branches of philosophy. On the template the named branches fall under the label Branches (Epistemology, Metaphysics, etc.), while the unnammed branches fall under the label Philosophy of since that is how they are generally refered to.
So for example, "Philosophy of Language" is just as much a branch of philosophy as "Epistemology". Only "Philosophy of Language" never got its own unique name as epistemology did. If epistemology had not been given the name that it was, it would probably be known as "Philosophy of Belief" or "Philosophy of Knowledge" today.
As for "Applied Philosophy". That term is usually reserved for when you apply any particular branch of philosophy to a problem of ordinary life. For example, "Applied Philosophy of Language" might be examining a Supreme Court case to see if the Justices had misinterpreted some law due to a philosophical misunderstanding how language works. Another example would be "Applied Ethics" which relies on philosophy to try an solve contemporary ethical and policy issues like abortion.
Consequently, nothing going by the name "Applied X" needs to be included on this template since "Applied X" refers to when you take one of the branches that are included on the template and apply them to ordinary life problems.
Okay, you raise an interesting point. Is there a way we can make it clear that all the items listed in the "Philosophy of" section are just more branches of philosophy? Could we change the "Branches" section to "Core Branches"? What if we do something like this:
Core Branches | Aesthetics · Ethics · Epistemology · Logic · Metaphysics
Other Branches | Philosophy of Action · Biology · Chemistry
I don't like the labels "Core" and "Other" but I'm not sure what else to call them.
Or maybe we don't need to do this at all. Ideas? Also, User:75.154.186.241, do you have any other ideas.
You seem to think there needs to be other revisions made. - Atfyfe (talk) 02:24, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Maybe "Classic Branches" and "Other Branches"? Or what about this all as one group:
Branches | Aesthetics · Ethics · Epistemology · Logic · Metaphysics  · Philosophy of Action · Biology · Chemistry
- Atfyfe (talk) 07:33, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

I currently don't have any ideas yet, but beforehand lets eliminate all the -ism that is only about political philosophy. Because that field already has a lot of infoboxes and I am sure, those follows will be more than happy to speed up the speed of cleaning up templates. Category:Political science terms (for speedup referencing).

--75.154.186.241 (talk) 08:06, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

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